John McCain Says He Hates “Gooks”
By STEVEN ARGUE
When asked in 2000 John McCain said, “"I hate the gooks, I will hate them as long as I live" ("McCain Criticized for Slur" SF Gate 2/18/2000).
The US War of Aggression against the people of Vietnam murdered three million people. Many of those people were murdered by the massive aerial bombing done by the United States. McCain was on his twenty third bombing raid when he was finally shot down by the Vietnamese near Hanoi. Timothy McVeigh was put to death for less, but the Vietnamese released McCain after only five years. How many people McCain murdered is impossible to know, but what is for certain, McCain is a war criminal who murdered thousands directly in Vietnam.
McCain's crimes against humanity have continued since his release, with McCain voting for the US wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and voting for military appropriations to fund those wars. The US occupation of Iraq has now cost the lives of over one million people. The true purpose of that war is now even more obvious with US attempts to get the Oil Law passed in Iraq, a law that would turn Iraqi oil over to Exxon Mobile, British Petroleum, and other oil monopolies. Meanwhile, racist war criminal John McCain has vowed to continue the occupation.
Similarly, Obama has voted to fund the occupation of Iraq, has spoken of waging war in Pakistan and Iran, and would not commit to withdrawing troops from Iraq by 2013, opposes socialized medicine, and is not putting forward real solutions on global warming.
In a debate in September 2007, when asked if he would have U.S. troops out of Iraq by 2013 Barack Obama said "I believe that we should have all our troops out by 2013, but I don't want to make promises not knowing what the situation's going to be three or four years out." Similarly Hillary Clinton Said, “I agree with Barack” ("The Democratic Presidential Debate on MSNBC", New York Times 9/26/07).
Not only do Obama and Clinton make no promise to get out of Iraq, both have voted for war appropriations. This puts them both in the position of having directly supported the war.
In addition, Clinton voted to invade Iraq. Obama was not yet in the Senate, so he didn’t vote on that resolution. Yet on the verge of the U.S. war of Aggression against Iraq, Barack Obama repeated Bush’s lies at an anti-war rally stating, “He [Saddam Hussein] has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity” (Obama, 10/2002 Speech, Federal Plaza).
In trying to let themselves off the hook, many Democrats claim that Bush "did not fairly represent intelligence". Feeble cries by these politicians today that their votes for war weren't their fault because they were lied to by Bush, when the truth that Bush was lying was readily available, not only make them look stupid, they are an insult to the intelligence of the American people.
While the Democrats helped promote the lie that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction and that Iraq had no right to defend itself, Liberation News pointed out that it is the United States that has the weapons of mass destruction. Instead of war, we supported the right of Iraq to acquire the weapons necessary to defend themselves from U.S. aggression. There can be little doubt that if Iraq had acquired those weapons they might not be in the mess they are now.
Yet for the Democrats and Republicans, Iraqi weapons were never the real motive for mass murder and occupation in Iraq. The capitalist ruling class, and their Democrat and Republican representatives, thought that they could use their superior military power to quickly move into Iraq and establish, by force, a stable neo-colonial puppet regime, and then make massive profits from the privatization of the Iraqi economy, especially oil. It is the failures of this imperialist plan, in the face of Iraqi resistance and growing unpopularity at home, that has forced some Democrats to pretend to distance themselves from the same Bush policies that they actually support.
Similarly, with Pakistan, it is US intervention that has kept in power a long series of dictators and fragile civilian governments who are overthrown by the military at the drop of a hat. While Obama says he wants to send US troops into Pakistan, the US has no right to intervene against those fighting against a US backed puppet government, labeling those who fought against the Musharraf dictatorship "terrorists". It is US intervention in support of Pakistani dictators, including Musharraf, that was the cause of Bhutto's death. The US has already harmed the Pakistani people enough and should get out now! NO TO OBAMA’S PROPOSED MILITARY INTERVENTION IN PAKISTAN!
No to the Democrats Republicans, the twin parties of war, global warming, and corporate exploitation!
In the long run, it is important for people to understand that we (the non-millionaire majority) are not represented in any way by the Democrat and Republican Parties and that we are much better off relying on our own power through mass protests, strikes, alternative media, and in building or supporting political parties to the left of those in power.
Join the Cool Earth Party
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By STEVEN ARGUE
When asked in 2000 John McCain said, “"I hate the gooks, I will hate them as long as I live" ("McCain Criticized for Slur" SF Gate 2/18/2000).
The US War of Aggression against the people of Vietnam murdered three million people. Many of those people were murdered by the massive aerial bombing done by the United States. McCain was on his twenty third bombing raid when he was finally shot down by the Vietnamese near Hanoi. Timothy McVeigh was put to death for less, but the Vietnamese released McCain after only five years. How many people McCain murdered is impossible to know, but what is for certain, McCain is a war criminal who murdered thousands directly in Vietnam.
McCain's crimes against humanity have continued since his release, with McCain voting for the US wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and voting for military appropriations to fund those wars. The US occupation of Iraq has now cost the lives of over one million people. The true purpose of that war is now even more obvious with US attempts to get the Oil Law passed in Iraq, a law that would turn Iraqi oil over to Exxon Mobile, British Petroleum, and other oil monopolies. Meanwhile, racist war criminal John McCain has vowed to continue the occupation.
Similarly, Obama has voted to fund the occupation of Iraq, has spoken of waging war in Pakistan and Iran, and would not commit to withdrawing troops from Iraq by 2013, opposes socialized medicine, and is not putting forward real solutions on global warming.
In a debate in September 2007, when asked if he would have U.S. troops out of Iraq by 2013 Barack Obama said "I believe that we should have all our troops out by 2013, but I don't want to make promises not knowing what the situation's going to be three or four years out." Similarly Hillary Clinton Said, “I agree with Barack” ("The Democratic Presidential Debate on MSNBC", New York Times 9/26/07).
Not only do Obama and Clinton make no promise to get out of Iraq, both have voted for war appropriations. This puts them both in the position of having directly supported the war.
In addition, Clinton voted to invade Iraq. Obama was not yet in the Senate, so he didn’t vote on that resolution. Yet on the verge of the U.S. war of Aggression against Iraq, Barack Obama repeated Bush’s lies at an anti-war rally stating, “He [Saddam Hussein] has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity” (Obama, 10/2002 Speech, Federal Plaza).
In trying to let themselves off the hook, many Democrats claim that Bush "did not fairly represent intelligence". Feeble cries by these politicians today that their votes for war weren't their fault because they were lied to by Bush, when the truth that Bush was lying was readily available, not only make them look stupid, they are an insult to the intelligence of the American people.
While the Democrats helped promote the lie that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction and that Iraq had no right to defend itself, Liberation News pointed out that it is the United States that has the weapons of mass destruction. Instead of war, we supported the right of Iraq to acquire the weapons necessary to defend themselves from U.S. aggression. There can be little doubt that if Iraq had acquired those weapons they might not be in the mess they are now.
Yet for the Democrats and Republicans, Iraqi weapons were never the real motive for mass murder and occupation in Iraq. The capitalist ruling class, and their Democrat and Republican representatives, thought that they could use their superior military power to quickly move into Iraq and establish, by force, a stable neo-colonial puppet regime, and then make massive profits from the privatization of the Iraqi economy, especially oil. It is the failures of this imperialist plan, in the face of Iraqi resistance and growing unpopularity at home, that has forced some Democrats to pretend to distance themselves from the same Bush policies that they actually support.
Similarly, with Pakistan, it is US intervention that has kept in power a long series of dictators and fragile civilian governments who are overthrown by the military at the drop of a hat. While Obama says he wants to send US troops into Pakistan, the US has no right to intervene against those fighting against a US backed puppet government, labeling those who fought against the Musharraf dictatorship "terrorists". It is US intervention in support of Pakistani dictators, including Musharraf, that was the cause of Bhutto's death. The US has already harmed the Pakistani people enough and should get out now! NO TO OBAMA’S PROPOSED MILITARY INTERVENTION IN PAKISTAN!
No to the Democrats Republicans, the twin parties of war, global warming, and corporate exploitation!
In the long run, it is important for people to understand that we (the non-millionaire majority) are not represented in any way by the Democrat and Republican Parties and that we are much better off relying on our own power through mass protests, strikes, alternative media, and in building or supporting political parties to the left of those in power.
Join the Cool Earth Party
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Re: John McCain Says He Hates “Gooks”
Sun, June 1, 2008 - 11:39 AMIf only enough people would join "The Cool Party" would things make more sense around these parts? -
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Re: John McCain Says He Hates “Gooks”
Sun, June 1, 2008 - 2:39 PMDo you hate "gooks" too TMibo?
You do seem pretty pissed off about me pointing out US war crimes. -
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Re: John McCain Says He Hates “Gooks”
Sun, June 1, 2008 - 5:10 PMNo, I'm pissed off at you ruining a lot of progressive forums with your spams. In a few of them you have been "moderated"--here, not so much. -
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Re: John McCain Says He Hates “Gooks”
Mon, June 2, 2008 - 10:47 AM
Tmibo, I haven't ruined anything.
Instead of attacking me, why don't you attempt to say something intelligent?
And if you don't like my articles, why don't you write your own?
Getting out the truth is part of the key to bringing peace, by helping people see the need to end the racist imperialist wars of the United States and letting people know about actions for peace. -
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Re: John McCain Says He Hates “Gooks”
Mon, June 2, 2008 - 5:13 PMI'm not here to write articles...especially ones that read like Cold War leaflets dropped from a plane.
>Getting out the truth is part of the key to bringing peace, by helping people see the need to end the racist imperialist wars of the United States and letting people know about actions for peace.
Yeah, except for your lack of fairness and balance, you've got a lot to say. -
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Re: John McCain Says He Hates “Gooks”
Mon, June 2, 2008 - 5:45 PM
Where have I ever lacked fairness and balance?
Do you think there is "another side" to McCain's racist statements. I suppose I haven't given Hitler a fair hearing either. -
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Re: John McCain Says He Hates “Gooks”
Tue, June 3, 2008 - 1:07 AM>Where have I ever lacked fairness and balance?
"The US then bombed the country until not a single building was standing." First, when confronted with the statment, you tried to make me shutup through projection and innuendo. Next, when I pressed the point--the point that that statement is almost certainly false and simpleminded propagandistic pablum--you then admitted that you'd actually quoted someone else without attribution; plagiary; an unethical practice...except in circumstances where you get away with it, eh? I continued to press you on this statement though since you still seemed to have faith that that statement was true...that "The US then bombed the [Korea in 1950-51] until not a single building was standing.". Last time I looked, you were stating that this was "likely" (a true statement of fact). Any reasonable person, given even a tiny bit of background of what it takes to level every building in a country of any size, can see that it would be next to impossible for it to be true in the case of Korea 1950-51. Yet, still you persist...the effect of which is to 1) alienate reasonable people from this forum and 2) seeking to find people who will be credulous over your avalanche of statements...so you can exploit them for whatever purpose it is that you are really about.
In other words, you are a rank rhetorician...and not one that folks should count on for veracity. While your stubbornness has garnered you a lot of attention, I dare say that it has also killed a lot of progressive forums from recruiting members who perhaps do not like to wade through tract after tract of "social revolutionary democratic" articles ending in "Join the Cool Earth Party today!" -
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Re: John McCain Says He Hates “Gooks”
Tue, June 3, 2008 - 8:48 AM"TMibo" continues his rants in an apparent attempt to support the US imperialist war in Korea, even in a thread where we are discussing the US imperialist wars in Vietnam and Iraq and the racism of John McCain.
As I've already responded, Korea was bombed by the United States to the point where an expert on the war said that not a single building was left standing. "TMibo" has come up with no evidence to refute that point.
I've done plenty of traveling, and I'm sure I get along with people a lot better than racists who see people as "gooks" and "towel heads". I've lived in countries where the US was carrying out the mass murder of leftists, suspected leftists, unionists, peasants, and even just the general population, including children. I was hugged, invited into homes, shared meals, and told that they didn’t blame me for the crimes of my government.
The United States intervenes in other countries for three reasons. The first two are to continue and expand US corporate access to cheap labor and cheap resources. The third is to make corporate profit from arms production, generally at US tax payer expense.
The US supports and installs horrible dictators and the CIA trains their death squads and torturers. The US goes to war against those people who rid themselves of, or who try to rid themselves of, these puppet governments. At times, such as in Iraq and Afghanistan, the US government decides that the repressive governments the US helped install are a problem for US corporate profit, and the US government goes to war against them as well.
With the US war in Iraq now causing the deaths of over a million people and the US trillions of dollars in debt and on the verge of economic collapse, I don’t see how you expect me to see good in US imperialist war. What is it good for? -
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Re: John McCain Says He Hates “Gooks”
Tue, June 3, 2008 - 9:45 AMMany people in America hate the gooks or japs or what have you. They were innocent boys when they were sent to war and their minds became sickened by the horrors they saw. Remember a cat strikes much harder when they are being cornered, Vietnam and Japan were defending their home turf, I often think Americans don't realize how horrible war is because we have never really been attacked on our home grounds and witnessed the un-discerning effects of cluster bombs, or worse yet agent orange. God we do deserve punishment for what we did to that country.
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Re: John McCain Says He Hates “Gooks”
Tue, June 3, 2008 - 11:52 PM>"TMibo" continues his rants in an apparent attempt to support the US imperialist war in Korea,
Nope, you've confused my distaste for your tactics and methods with your own posted political rambles. This is not the first time you have done this. Too bad this forum continues to support your kind of pablum. -
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Re: John McCain Says He Hates “Gooks”
Tue, June 3, 2008 - 11:54 PMAbe, you might be better served, both in communicating to a larger audience and also in getting your points taken seriously by not posting directly in Citizen Argue's threads. I suspect not many people are bothering to read them at this point...at least not the folks that actually care about working towards peace in an honest and above board fashion.
The solution might be to simply post a link in a new thread to the particular passage here and carrying on the conversation where your point is the topic of discussion. Just a suggestion. Then Citizen Argue will have to decide whether to actually participate in other folks threads here rather than only his own... -
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Re: John McCain Says He Hates “Gooks”
Wed, June 4, 2008 - 7:40 AM
Wow. "Tmibo" does nothing for peace and attacks those who do.
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Re: John McCain Says He Hates “Gooks”
Tue, June 10, 2008 - 10:05 AMHey fellas!...what's with the hostility?...this is the 'peace' tribe!
Can't we all just agree to disagree? go along to get along? love eachother?...pop eachothers zits and smell eachothers farts and suck eachothers cocks? -
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Re: John McCain Says He Hates “Gooks”
Tue, June 10, 2008 - 10:14 PM"Blun" said in another thread, "I love everybody...japs, chinks, niggers, spicks, krauts, heebs, irish drunks and english fags and I like broads too...."
Get a life you hateful troll.
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Re: John McCain Says He Hates “Gooks”
Wed, June 11, 2008 - 3:48 AMWhy do I meet with such terrible misunderstanding everywhere I go?...why can't people give me a chance? -
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Re: John McCain Says He Hates “Gooks”
Wed, June 11, 2008 - 11:32 AMMaybe they should stick your little punk ass in a pow camp for a couple a years and see if you come out all 'we shall overcome'. -
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Re: John McCain Says He Hates “Gooks”
Wed, June 11, 2008 - 11:57 AM
I never would have agreed to do 23 bombing raids on the Vietnamese people. Just following orders is no excuse, remember the Nuremburg Trials.
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Wed, June 11, 2008 - 11:58 AM
I just pointed out that you are a hater with your own words. No misunderstanding involved. -
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Re: John McCain Says He Hates “Gooks”
Wed, June 11, 2008 - 12:04 PMWhat is it with you damn people?...I hurt your feelings?...Is that it?...OK...I sincerely apollogize if I really hurt you with my words...but hear this...you had better toughen up...there is some BAD SHIT coming down the pipe in the not-so-distant future and hurt feelings are going to be a luxury that none of us can afford.
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Re: John McCain Says He Hates “Gooks”
Wed, June 11, 2008 - 12:16 PM
I'm not a liberal, I'm a revolutionary democratic socialist.
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Re: John McCain Says He Hates “Gooks”
Wed, June 11, 2008 - 12:21 PM"I am not a communist Mr. Bringuier...I am a Marxist-Leninist.
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Fri, June 20, 2008 - 11:40 AM
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Re: John McCain Says He Hates “Gooks”
Sun, June 22, 2008 - 1:33 PM
Lee Harvey Oswald was nothing but a CIA agent.
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Re: John McCain Says He Hates “Gooks”
Fri, June 27, 2008 - 12:12 AM>Wow. "Tmibo" does nothing for peace and attacks those who do.
>He really seems full of hate, and really should get a life.
Citizen Argue, you seem to be confusing logic and clear thinking with the term "hate". I can see, however, where you might hate it when logic and clear thinking confront your zany political antics. Or, more likely, given Citizen Argue's rhetorical flair, simply trying to project the feelings the he himself is affected with on to anyone who calls him on his crap?
Moderator, can we have some decorum here? Or is this forum now mostly just a flame zone for people who like to create antagonism with people who disagree with them? Seriously, it is a sad day when this sort of rhetorical "flair" passes for "discussions" on peace.
Citizen Argue, I see that you seem to like attacking me more than you actually like talking openly about your own feelings about peace (see some recent threads in this forum started by folks other than Citizen Argue to see the paucity of posts by Citizen Argue in those threads; Citizen Argue's participation here seems to mostly be about his agenda...without regard to anyone else's feelings, ideas, etc.) Citizen Argue, you spam bomb us with your copy-paste spams, obviously trying to recruit folks to your political movement...without regard to whom you smear, without regard to facts, and without regard to the forums in which you do it; you have been ejected from or censored in several other forums for your antics. There may or may not be some vast conspiracy to silence your message...however, you seem to participate willingly in that conspiracy by trying to intimidate folks who are not part of any such conspiracy and vilifying them...thus losing potential allies. This is in addition to your belief that spam is good for the forums in which you spam.
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